HackRF - Dedicated Section ?

asper · 2014-09-29 16:21:18

Hi guys,

I recently had some time to use the HackRF device and I think it is a great product:

I was able to use it under Win7 (64 bit) but I found some difficulties in setting it up with the SDRSharp (SDR#) software and compiling the sources; after some days I was finally able to correctly use it (together with the sources) so I would like to know if someone is interested in opening a specific form thread maybe in the "Various Tools and Utilities" or in "Hardware Remarks and Questions" section.

If you agree I can make some step-by-step guides on how to use it under Windows to make linux-unfriendly-people-approach easier.

Last edited by asper (2014-09-29 16:23:45)

marshmellow · 2014-09-30 00:27:48

I'm interested

0xFFFF · 2014-09-30 06:13:52

I'm all for a dedicated section but I do not have full administrative access.

I have two of these now ('Jawbreaker' and a 'One'). They are absolutely fantastic (full duplex with a frequency standard).
Personally I think this is the future of RF/RFID/NFC exploration.

Don't forget Mike's video series. There is a lot of useful information there.

vivat · 2014-09-30 07:09:50

It would be interesting to show some practical usage of HackRF: sniff communication between card-reader, demodulate, decode it, etc. Post your videos of usage, antenna pictures, data logs here.

asper · 2014-09-30 09:19:26

I am glad ot see that someone (and BIG ones) are interested !

I will create a thread in "Various Tools and Utilities" covering the stuff I was able to do right now (really few considering the hardware potentials but I am still a noob )

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holiman · 2014-09-30 09:25:38

Sounds great! I've got a 'One', and I'm learning by doing.. I'm using pentoo as a base platform, as recommended by Ossman.

asper · 2014-09-30 11:50:14

Here it is (1st part).

Next part will be about compiling under Windows.

The last part will be Installing and configuring GNURADIO under Windows (this is the best I can reach until now): if someone is able to write a tutorial on how to use GNURADIO with HackRF One ot will be wonderful (this is what probably vivat is asking for) !!!! I am really really new to this software and SDR in general...

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asper · 2014-10-01 15:57:47

vivat wrote:

It would be interesting to show some practical usage of HackRF: sniff communication between card-reader, demodulate, decode it, etc. Post your videos of usage, antenna pictures, data logs here.

Here is a simple example:
http://proxmark.org/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=12403#p12403

piwi · 2014-10-02 07:56:07

asper wrote:

vivat wrote:
It would be interesting to show some practical usage of HackRF: sniff communication between card-reader, demodulate, decode it, etc. Post your videos of usage, antenna pictures, data logs here.
Here is a simple example:
http://proxmark.org/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=12403#p12403

...but this is an example with an active transmitter. I am not THAT enthusiastic about SDRs for RFID research until anyone would show me a passive card's response.

asper · 2014-10-02 09:40:36

Well passive works in 2 ways: sending a "wake up command" or simply answering something while entering in the magnetic field... I really don't know how to stimulate the tag to answer with HackRF without knowing the communication protocol or without having a recorded signal... surely PM3+HackRF is the best choice

piwi · 2014-10-02 10:05:04

To be more precise, I do see two issues with "card's answer" and SDRs (talking about HF cards):

when sending a response, the card modulates the reader's carrier. This modulation is very weak compared to the carrier. Can you really demodulate and decode it when sniffing at a reasonable distance?
the card's response is expected within a predefined time (frame delay time) which is around 90microseconds. Wouldn't the latency of a SDR prevent card simulation/emulation?

asper · 2014-10-02 10:25:00

piwi wrote:

To be more precise, I do see two issues with "card's answer" and SDRs (talking about HF cards):
when sending a response, the card modulates the reader's carrier. This modulation is very weak compared to the carrier. Can you really demodulate and decode it when sniffing at a reasonable distance?
the card's response is expected within a predefined time (frame delay time) which is around 90microseconds. Wouldn't the latency of a SDR prevent card simulation/emulation?

I am just at the beginning about "SDR knowledge" so I think only experience can answer your questions... I will try to make some tests in the future (near?) and let you know/show results.

vivat · 2014-10-03 03:45:14

What antenna do you use with HackRF for HF(13.56 MHz)?

asper · 2014-10-03 06:47:10

ANT500 (included) seems to work from 10MHz but i did not verified that yet. I need a win software able to detect HackRF and work with a recorded wav file. If i will not be able to find one i will use gnuradio under linux.

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0xFFFF · 2014-10-03 10:18:55

I use log periodic antennas.
Here is a good source: http://www.wa5vjb.com/index.html

I have also used HID antennas in the past.

I have not tried the ANT500 that comes with the 'One'.

asper · 2014-10-03 10:23:11

Can you please describe the fetures of the ones you are using ? Did you tested them with HackRF One ?

Last edited by asper (2014-10-03 10:38:07)

0xFFFF · 2014-10-03 11:02:48

Hmmm... That's the wrong link.
The two PCB log periodic antennas I have from the site I listed previously are:
850-6500MHz
400-1000MHz

The antenna I use for 13.56MHz looks like the one on this page:
http://www.arawideband.com/products/EMC … tional.htm

I have not used the log periodics with the 'One' yet. I would assume that they would work as well as they do on the 'Jawbreaker'.

asper · 2014-10-03 11:06:04

So you tested them on the jawbreaker ?

I cannot see the 13.56 antenna anyway I have an ham-it-up converter so I think this will to the job together with the ANT500.

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