(Solved) IPhones & T5577 or hid Tags

Navster · 2017-07-23 05:56:24

Does any one recommend certain hid or t55xx stickers that can be stuck to the back of the iPhone and not interfere. Some tags when applied to back of the phone won't work due to interference from phone.

Last edited by Navster (2017-08-21 02:07:52)

Dot.Com · 2017-07-24 12:29:38

I will upload some of such products over this week.

Stay tune.

Navster · 2017-07-26 03:35:25

Dot.com Thank you!
Looking forward to the products.

Last edited by Navster (2017-07-26 03:36:33)

Navster · 2017-07-29 00:52:38

Dot.Com wrote:

I will upload some of such products over this week.
Stay tune.

Did you have a chance to upload some products?

app_o1 · 2017-07-29 13:16:38

T55x7 are LF, they will not "interfere" with your iPhone.
Search online for "3M t5577". They are everywhere.
Otherwise, you have these: http://tiny.cc/vwyqmy

Navster · 2017-07-29 16:54:46

I have a 3m t5577. When I stick it to the back of the iPhone 7 plus not the iPhone case but the actual phone. The tag won't work but if I remove it from the iPhone it is fine. I think the interference from the iPhone drowns the frequency of the tag.

ntk · 2017-07-30 08:52:07

Navster wrote:

I have a 3m t5577....iPhone 7 plus not the iPhone case but the actual phone. ..

Could you provide a picture?So you put at top-end at low-end, inside/ outside/ above or underneath battery-compartment? Not easy to imagine where you put it. Thanks

Navster · 2017-07-30 10:35:54

I'm having a hard time posting the pic I guess no copy and paste. I have a 3m t5577 and have stuck it on the outside of my iPhone 7 plus in the middle just below the flash. I have tried to stick it lower down closer to the lightening port. On the out side of the phone. I have a caudabe slim case over it. If I take the case off and stick the 3m T5577on the inside of the phone case and input the phone case on the proxmark it will read the tag. However if now I put the case on the phone with the tag inbetween phone and case tag can't be read.

atmel9077 · 2017-07-30 10:52:44

Modern iPhones have a metal case plus a lot of shielding to protect the processor from the radio frequency energy coming from the transmitter. The metal creates a detuning and absorbs the magnetic field from the reader so you can't read your tag properly

piwi · 2017-07-30 11:06:53

atmel9077 wrote:

Modern iPhones have a metal case plus a lot of shielding to protect the processor from the radio frequency energy coming from the transmitter. The metal creates a detuning and absorbs the magnetic field from the reader so you can't read your tag properly

I am wondering how they managed to make mobile phone calls, LTE/UMTS/GPRS, GPS, WLAN, Bluetooth and NFC work?

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ntk · 2017-07-30 16:38:17

piwi wrote:

I am wondering how they managed to make mobile phone calls, LTE/UMTS/GPRS, GPS, WLAN, Bluetooth and NFC work?

antenna for radio communication (mobile phone calls, LTE/UMTS/GPRS, GPS, WLAN,) and NFC are on the back, top part of the phone, outside of the shield, and they are wired to the phone part where is is shielded with metal protectors.

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atmel9077 · 2017-07-30 19:56:01

On most metal phones the nfc antenna is around the camera. But a T5557 sticker has nothing to do with NFC so no risk of interference

Navster · 2017-07-31 01:34:43

atmel9077 wrote:

On most metal phones the nfc antenna is around the camera. But a T5557 sticker has nothing to do with NFC so no risk of interference

Ive tried it all over the back on the outside of the iPhone 7plus between the case and no luck. i wonder a tag designed for metal surfaces would work?

atmel9077 · 2017-07-31 07:44:47

I'm not sure there's a solution except to stick the tag less closer from the back of the iphone (for example you can stick it on the back of a plastic case). The magnetic field from the reader has to find a way trough the center of the loop antenna of the tag so if there's metal right under it won't work. Putting a thin layer of ferrite (concentrate magnetic fields) on the back of the tag may work, but I don't know if this exists.

app_o1 · 2017-07-31 08:40:13

+1 atmel9077
Try with a wider disc tag.
Or get some 3M EMI sheet for the price of gold...

Navster · 2017-08-11 00:01:19

so i ended up ordering these from amazon: https://www.amazon.ca/Proximity-125khz-Writable-Rewritable-Sticker/dp/B072KN4BNB/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1502403075&sr=8-2&keywords=t5577 to put on the back of a iPhone

when i scan them on the PM3 they show up as em410x. so i used the following code to program the tag: lf em 410xwrite 1400794EA0 1. since it is a writeable tag.
when i run lf search it shows the id as cloned but no faculty code or card number, but it does show other info about the card
Checking for known tags:

EM410x pattern found:

EM TAG ID : 1400794EA0

Possible de-scramble patterns
Unique TAG ID : 28009E7205
HoneyWell IdentKey {
DEZ 8 : 07949984
DEZ 10 : 0007949984
DEZ 5.5 : 00121.20128
DEZ 3.5A : 020.20128
DEZ 3.5B : 000.20128
DEZ 3.5C : 121.20128
DEZ 14/IK2 : 00085907295904
DEZ 15/IK3 : 000171809075717
DEZ 20/ZK : 02080000091407020005
}
Other : 20128_121_07949984
Pattern Paxton : 344820896 [0x148D8CA0]
Pattern 1 : 14059717 [0xD688C5]
Pattern Sebury : 20128 121 7949984 [0x4EA0 0x79 0x794EA0]

when i ran demod on the fob:
#db# EM TAG ID: 1400794ea0 - (20128_121_07949984)
#db# EM TAG ID: 1400794ea0 - (20128_121_07949984)
#db# EM TAG ID: 1400794ea0 - (20128_121_07949984)
#db# EM TAG ID: 1400794ea0 - (20128_121_07949984)
#db# EM TAG ID: 1400794ea0 - (20128_121_07949984)
#db# EM TAG ID: 1400794ea0 - (20128_121_07949984)
#db# EM TAG ID: 1400794ea0 - (20128_121_07949984)
#db# EM TAG ID: 1400794ea0 - (20128_121_07949984)
#db# EM TAG ID: 1400794ea0 - (20128_121_07949984)
#db# EM TAG ID: 1400794ea0 - (20128_121_07949984)
#db# EM TAG ID: 1400794ea0 - (20128_121_07949984)
#db# EM TAG ID: 1400794ea0 - (20128_121_07949984)
#db# EM TAG ID: 1400794ea0 - (20128_121_07949984)
#db# EM TAG ID: 1400794ea0 - (20128_121_07949984)
#db# EM TAG ID: 1400794ea0 - (20128_121_07949984)
#db# EM TAG ID: 1400794ea0 - (20128_121_07949984)
#db# EM TAG ID: 1400794ea0 - (20128_121_07949984)
#db# EM TAG ID: 1400794ea0 - (20128_121_07949984)
#db# EM TAG ID: 1400794ea0 - (20128_121_07949984)
#db# EM TAG ID: 1400794ea0 - (20128_121_07949984)
#db# EM TAG ID: 1400794ea0 - (20128_121_07949984)
#db# EM TAG ID: 1400794ea0 - (20128_121_07949984)
#db# Stopped

my concern is when this sticker is used across a reader is this the information that will show up in the monitoring system of the apartment building?

should i be programming it differently? even though the original tag is HID this shows up as EM tag ID.

Dot.Com · 2017-08-11 04:09:47

I am not too sure why your HID tags shows a EM data. Probably some cloners ran out of tags/blank card and use the fake hid to clone a Em. xD

As long as your apartment has no logging system, I believe no.

Most apartment/security guard are too lazy to trace who comes in and out, just make sure nothing serious happens within your building to sound an alarm so they will check it.

But you stay in that apartment, so going in and out of it should be no big issue to them as long as you can prove you are a resident.

iceman · 2017-08-11 09:42:23

...a HID tag should not show EM410x data...

it sounds more like @dot.com, they took a t55x7 tag and wrote EM/HID data on it.
Try the LF T55x7 commands to verify that idea

Navster · 2017-08-21 02:07:00

Even though I ran of search and the tag showed up as a EM410x, I programmed it as a hid tag.
Lf hid clone ##########. ........ and it worked. When I scan card after it shows up as hid.

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