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Think

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Registered: 2020-08-08

Posts: 3

When is the next Proxmark3 hardware update? Standalone emulation?

Howdy boys, a few questions to get me going!

A. I would like to purchase a Proxmark3 Rdv4.1 (the newest as of now). How long will this be the newest for and is there an updated version that's being worked on that's going to be released soon? So when is the next release estimated hardware wise? I don't want to buy this and then next thing you know there's a new one that popped out. I want to be future proof!

B. Ran across a video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hTYBUFCPuw where the guy emulates what's presumable a mifare 1k, how difficult would be for someone with minimal coding and hardware knowledge to get the same working with the Rdv4.1 + bluetooth? Amount of time this may take to get this going?

C. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000857960091.htmlIs this Chinese version better or worse than the rdv4.1? Guy's picture claims that this is the "Ultimate version" with Chameleon simulation. Also has a LCD screen on top of it albeit in Chinese language.

D. How come the Chinese haven't built proxmark rdv4.1 clones yet? they have rdv2 clones but why not 4 or 4.1?

E. If I buy the Rdv4.1, is it redundant to buy a chameleonmini proxgrind?

F. Are the prices on rdv4.1's going down anytime soon? People see $300 and opt for chinese cards instead.

G. Going to see more Android app development for easy to use user friendly interface bluetooth + rdv4.1 in the future?

I come from a ProxMarkPro which although very novice user friendly is limited in capabilities.

Last edited by Think (2020-08-09 02:10:53)

lx2005

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Registered: 2019-09-27

Posts: 7

Re: When is the next Proxmark3 hardware update? Standalone emulation?

C. Chinese versions have modified hardware and firmware... So it's sometimes difficult to use them.
As I know, they have Chinese GUIs instead of CUIs. And sometimes they have poor quarlity. So I perfer RDV4.

mwalker

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Registered: 2019-05-11

Posts: 318

Re: When is the next Proxmark3 hardware update? Standalone emulation?

A little off topic, but does anyone have the data sheets for the 8268/8310 as mentions in the supported cards ?

wh201906

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Registered: 2020-04-29

Posts: 39

Re: When is the next Proxmark3 hardware update? Standalone emulation?

A little off topic, but does anyone have the data sheets for the 8268/8310 as mentions in the supported cards ?

They are invented by some China companies. But I don't find their website.
These cards are designed for emulating EM4100(Maybe) cards. I have some of these cards and a blue cloner compatible with them. But I don't know whether the PM3 can record the communication between the cloner and 8268/8310 cards.

wh201906

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Registered: 2020-04-29

Posts: 39

Re: When is the next Proxmark3 hardware update? Standalone emulation?

The Proxmark3 Ultimate ver is like a upgraded version of PM3 Easy. It just have a oled screen for offline operation, and the PCB on the top might be a modified version of Chameleon Mini.(I guess that's why the whole hardware has 2 HF antenna on each PCB.)
Their software(and even firmware) are specially designed, so it supports more kinds of cards.

Some of the features I know:
The PCB designs of RDV4 and Ultimate are both unreleased.
The RDV4 has open-sourced software and firmware.
The Ultimate supports most of cards in Chinese market.
The RDV4 support SmartCard and has more accessories.

In all, RDV4 has the support of the opensource community and much more powerful hardware. Ultimate is only powered by the manufacturer but has more useful functions for cards used in China.

mwalker

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Registered: 2019-05-11

Posts: 318

Re: When is the next Proxmark3 hardware update? Standalone emulation?

@wh201906 yeah, I think I have some as well.... I have been calling them unknown as I am not sure what they are, just come with a cheap cloner.
I did do a lf sniff and got all the data sent from the cloner to the "card".
From my decode, I could see the EM4305 data format and the T55xx format, then a 3rd that I have not managed to fully decode yet (but could see the EM4100 Card ID in my hand demod).
Since I dont really need it, it has slipped to the bottom of my list, but I am still keen to see if I can work it out and then reuse those cards.
So, a data sheet with the memory map and commands) would be great

wh201906

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Registered: 2020-04-29

Posts: 39

Re: When is the next Proxmark3 hardware update? Standalone emulation?

@mwalker The 8268/8310 cards are designed to pass the "firewall"(some readers can detect whether the card is a normal EM4100 card or T55xx card then reject the latter one). So for the manufacturer, keeping the datasheet secret can make their cards more easily to pass the "firewall".
The blue cloner can copy the EM4100 card to different types of cards, and the 3rd part you mentioned might be the the way to write to a 8268/8310 card.
I don't know how to do a lf sniff. Is there any tutorials?

Modify

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Registered: 2022-12-27

Posts: 4

Re: When is the next Proxmark3 hardware update? Standalone emulation?

This Chinese "Ultimate version" can be split into 2 parts: the upper module combine Chameleon Mini and LF copy function with oled and have battery, and the lower module is proxmark3 easy version.
LF copy function with oled can copy the EM tag just by click two button, and support 8310/8268 tag(might be building function). If using proxmark3 function, you will need to plug USB cable into lower pcb board first, and it’s not support copied 8310/8268 chips, just work as normal proxmark3, but have better LF detection with lower noise.